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Elle Griffin's avatar

This was a very brilliant response. And I agree with so much of what you said here.

Where I diverge is this sentence: “History is progress. Things get progressively better from year to year. But if it were true, why is it that, far from leaping on from one philosophical and moral triumph to another, the modern world, and certainly modern literature, seems to have sunk into a pit of nihilism and despair.”

I actually happen to believe we are living in a utopia right now-the best iteration of the world it’s ever been. Far from being an abstract destination we are headed toward, I think it is an ever evolving and perfecting of what we have now.

Will we agree on what is the right destination to head in now? No, and for all the reasons you mentioned. We disagree on morality. And we are intensely selfish, meaning we want what is best for us, not for the whole of society.

And yet, somehow it’s worked. Somehow this is the best time for humans to be alive based on a lot of measures we can agree on: life expectancy, percentage of the world in poverty, equal access to resources, murders and deaths, war.

The fact that we don’t think this is utopia is not because we are living in a dystopia, its because the content we see is painting it that way. And I will point you to an essay I wrote about that! https://ellegriffin.substack.com/p/no-news

Thank you for engaging me in discourse. I really love mulling these things over together!!

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J. M. Elliott's avatar

Fantastic essay. I also considered posting a response, but now there's no need, as you've more than expressed my core sentiments. Though I am an atheist, I agree with most of what you've written, particularly where you say, "Utopianism is not the antidote to despair, but its progenitor." I believe this ties in well with your premise that 'being is meaning; love is purpose.' The utopian obsession with unattainable perfection eventually obscures our ability to have gratitude for the inherently messy world and our imperfect existence in it; to have compassion for the flaws of others and the suffering life naturally entails. Therein lie the seeds of all our dystopias.

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